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Church and Spiritism do not deal with the same territory

The Ouroboros symbolizing (not really) "eternal" recurrence of the spirit

Or “Why the church is correct not to teach Re-incarnation”

When you talk to many, either in church or in spiritist circles, to explain the difference between spirit and soul, they are not able and without thinking any further use both as synonyms.

However these two concepts always existed side by side, because they mean two very different concepts. I give it much attention as I know that in our culture their confusion is the basis why we do not understand the difference of spirituality/ informational and soul-work/ religious practices. Also this will make clear the proper use of the CoRe as an informational tool and not as a religious tool.


The spirit is the software that we incorporate in a body and just like the software that can be re-installed in a new computer a spirit can be re-installed or re-incarnated in another body. Religions like Buddhism and Hinduism have apparently made this process a central topic – although it is not.

Christian teaching has never given this question much attention and consequently many new age thinkers hold that this is a defect of Christian religion. This mistaken understanding comes from the lack of knowing the difference between soul and spirit.

The spirit is your program that makes you act as a German or Brazilian, a male or a female, a street-cleaner or a PhD holder, a father or a mother, an orphan or rich parents child a.s.o. and this program is given to you – just as your body. As you can imagine it is hard enough to realize that your body is not your own but to see the same for thoughts, sensations and emotions is even more difficult – totally impossible to comprehend for those who have labored and paid so much at universities to re-install a program that is second or third hand.


Spirits (mental bodies) live much longer than physical bodies and they are even passed on from body to body (re-incarnated) so you are using the matrix, the program, the script (like a theater performer) that has been used/ incorporated already countless times.

Spirits just like any software can have countless hang-ups, they can get entangled with one body  or environment (hard to clean from the disk – called past-lifetime re-experiences) or they can become like a computer virus attached to another hardware. Many people do not live their own lives but that of someone else, the idol they admire, the grandparent that they never met, the father or mother that wanted to live on in the lives of their children, the boss or spouse that one accepted as authority.

Spirits can exist with or without a body and the science how to deal, clean, connect with this kind of software is the realm of Spiritism. The Church should not involve with Spiritism — when it was getting entangled with this field, in the middle ages, where it performed all kind of Exorcism work, it lost sight of its real mission to care for the soul. In Brazil the “igreja universal” is the biggest church after the catholic  and with them a  major part of their service is public exorcism (cleaning/ reseting of human software).


Put in youtube search “igreja universal exorcismo” and you can see dozens of examples like this

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and it is not one case once and a while – it is a dozen people who voluntarily come forward on every Sunday (actually they go to church almost daily here) and want to be exorcised. As strange as this sounds for a western mind – people here know that it gives them often a great release and reset – something that western doctors have long forgotten or discarded as witchcraft and hokus-pokus.

 

There is no country in the world where spiritism is as popular as in Brazil and every child grows up with reading or at least hearing about Chico Xavier who was a very popular medium

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(2 million views most probably from Brazil)

and even John of God considers Chico Xavier his teacher and was advised by him where to start his spiritual hospital where he is practicing now for almost 50 years.


However here as elsewhere Spiritists mistake the Spirit for our immortal part, for our consciousness, for that part for which it eventually can be possible to live without a “Heaven and a Hell” as John Lennon was singing here. They are mistaken— the Spirit is designed to live between the polarities of good and bad, happiness and sadness, success and failure, male and female, night and day, heaven and hell – in fact it only made of polarities.


Or naïve new-age philosophies turn those spirits into superior beings like for example in this quote from the laboratory for Advances in  Consciousness and Health at the university of Arizona “Contemporary science has the capabilities to establish that we do not live in a spiritless universe, but instead live in a spirit filled universe, and that by collaborating with spirits we have the potential to evolve into a more mature, healthy and loving creative species.” – better start doing this with the incorporated spirits all around you.

“Advanced” researchers RE-discover what was common understanding and practice, full of amazement, what western culture has covered up for the last 500 years, that our software can exist without a body – but they mistake it for some superior beings. Just like 1000 years ago people considered energetic phenomena, like lightening or the rainbow,  a manifestation of the divine.


The spirit is also the realm in which the CoRe system works or any other informational modality as well, the REALM OF DUALITY. And if we start to realize this eternal bond and purpose and stop fighting for a life that has only one pole of security, happiness and health this Spirit can become the medium the facilitator the connection to the realm of the soul and a trinity is possible.

The soul is really the main field of religion, of re-ligio, of re-connection with the source, the immortal, non-dual reality.

“Apart from the pulling and hauling stands what I am,
Stands amused, complacent, compassionating, idle, unitary, 
Looks down, is erect, or bends an arm on an impalpable certain rest, 
Looking with side-curved head curious what will come next, 
Both in and out of the game and watching and wondering at it.” 
— Walt Whitman (Song of Myself)

 

Again the new age idea of the Observer really is misleading as it is not an outsider that is “apart” in any sense that we can imagine – so all the new age seekers that choose to leave home and job to become detached and to reach the status of the observer – usually will end up just more desperate. On the contrary – Greatest involvement together with the constant effort of detachment is the way – it needs the constant aim for DLE and Whitman got there by being a nurse and spirit counselor in the wards of the US civil war seeing hundreds of people die in his hands.

This much about the SPIRIT for now, I will write more about the SOUL and the purpose of religion in another post.

 

 

 

 

 

5 thoughts on “Church and Spiritism do not deal with the same territory

  1. Thank you for making things so much clearer to me.
    I have been active in metaphysical and spiritual stuff all my life and was forever aware of the vague space between body and ultimate awareness. That space was never clearly defined by anyone and everyone had different meanings for their words.
    I was always aware of something greater even than spirit. Spirit has ego and identity but this something greater is simply the “isness” of ” what is” It is humble yet powerful.
    Now that it is better defined I want to see how we can get the best out of utilizing Spirit in healing and creation techniques.
    Namasté
    Eugene.

    Kiran’s comment :

    Dear Eugene

    you are on my line of perception – just KISS (Keep it Simple and Significant) Spirit is our mind activity, emotions, the sense of Ego – opinions, cultural, gender, educational education and so on – just software that analyzes, discriminates, separates, multitude, duality, polarity…. the seat of much of our fears

    but Soul is the “It” “I am” or as you say “isness” or “oneness”

    just for comparison here is what you hear from some people that only know to turn dictionaries and bible-quotes in a mix-match of assumptions, know-it-all-assumptions and pure nonsense :

    totally indigestible for me

    Understanding The Difference Between The Spirit And The Soul
    By Everest John Alexander

    “For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,” Heb 4:12.
    From this passage we see that the writer in trying to show just how powerful the word of God is, uses the dividing of the spirit and soul as an illustration of it’s power. This therefore, leads us to understand that the spirit and soul are so closely identified with each other that it takes nothing less than the power of God’s word to distinguish between the two.
    Nonsense – the above does not allow us to make any assumption that Soul and Spirit are “closely identified with each other”
    Just how close are the spirit and the soul?
    In the verse above, the word “soul” is the Greek word “psuche” (pronounced psoo-khay) and means “breath”. The word “spirit” in the Greek is “pneuma” (pronounced pnyoo-mah) and means “a current of air.”
    How’s that for similarity? One is a breath and the other is a current of air.
    Now, at first glance these two words seem to mean the very same thing and in a sense they do. Is there any real difference between a breath and a current of air? Not on the surface but let’s look more closely, shall we?
    From the World Book Dictionary a breath is a vapor and a vapor is “something without substance”. So the soul is something without substance! What can we deduce from this statement? We can see that the human soul is real, it has being, but no physical properties! Which simply means that it is not tangible, it can’t be experienced by the five senses. And in this regard it is the same as the spirit.
    The human spirit is called “a current of air”. What is a current of air? Air is synonymous with life and a current is defined as a flow or stream. Therefore, “a current of air” is “a flow of life”.
    What is the human spirit? A stream or flow of life!
    Becoming ‘Born Again’ is described as the re-creating of a human spirit and the reconnecting of that spirit with God, so that the life of God can flow into that spirit. God designed the human spirit to be a conduit for Him to flow through. It is the interface that connects God to man and vice-versa! Not only this, but it also allows communication to take place. It’s the mechanism in man that allows him to communicate with God!
    This is his spirit! A device created by God from a portion of His own Spirit, which allows man to harmonize, synchronize and communicate with God!
    It is through this harmony and synchronization that we can communicate with God. He is a Spirit and can only harmonize with another spirit, therefore the human spirit is that aspect of man which can relate to God. It is that component which can feel what God feels, understand what God means and will to act in agreement with Him.
    The human spirit then, is the seat of emotions, intellect and will as they relate to God and the spirit realm.
    The following scriptures support this:
    Luke 1:47 says, “My spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior and 1Sa 1:15 states, “…I am a woman of a sorrowful spirit…” The human spirit is capable of emotion.
    So, the spirit has feelings.
    1Co 2:14 says, “…neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned (understood)” and from Job 32:8 we get, “But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding. Showing that the spirit is capable of intelligence.
    So, the spirit has intellect.
    And finally, Ro 1:9 declares, “For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit…” and Isa 26:9 says, “…with my spirit within me will I seek thee early…” Clearly showing that within the human spirit there is volition, the capacity to choose or decide.
    So, the spirit has a will.
    What about the soul? We just saw that it is intangible, made up of the same ethereal material that the spirit is made up of. But how does it differ from the spirit?
    According to the bible Ps 35:9 says, “…My soul shall be joyful in the LORD…” and Mt 26:38 says, “…My soul is exceeding sorrowful…” showing us that the soul can feel emotion.
    So, the soul has feelings.
    Ps 139:14 says, “Marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well and Pr 19:2 says, “…That the soul be without knowledge, it is not good…” Showing us that the soul is capable of intelligence.
    So, the soul has intellect.
    And Ps 62:1 says, “Truly my soul waiteth upon God” and Rom 13:1 declares, “Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers”. Now, “to wait or be subject,” indicates the capacity to choose or decide which leads us to acknowledge, that the soul is capable of volition or the capacity to choose.
    So, the soul has a will.
    What does this mean?
    It means that the human soul is also the seat of emotions, intellect and will, but only as it relates to this natural realm and other human beings!
    In addition to this, we must also understand that the soul and the mind are one and the same thing. The word “soul” translated from the Hebrew is “Nephesh” and means “mind or mental creature.” So, when we speak about the soul of man we are speaking about his mind. This is where the average person gets confused, they say soul and REALLY mean spirit.
    Fiction books and movies don’t help either. But the Bible is very clear on this. Even the New Testament word for “soul” is translated from the Greek word “psuche” (pronounced psoo-khay) from which we get the word “psychic” which refers to our “mental processes.”
    So, there’s nothing overly mysterious about your soul – It’s your mind! Your emotions, intellect and will… Plain and simple!
    In summary here’s what we have:
    ~ Definition, Function and Purpose of the Human Spirit ~
    The spirit is the God-conscious mechanism in man. It is the seat of the emotions, the intellect and the will as they relate to God and the spirit realm.
    The human spirit is synonymous with the nature of man.
    The condition of his spirit is the condition of his nature and his nature determines his eternal destiny. God designed the spirit to make humans conscious of God, to make us aware of the One who created us and to provide a means of communication with Him.
    The human spirit harmonizes with the spirit realm and receives and transmits impulses of a spiritual nature. It allows man to talk to God and hear from God! It is a stream of life, a conduit for God to flow into and inhabit us!
    That’s the purpose of the human spirit… to be an interface between God and man, allowing God to indwell and empower us and to provide an efficient, accurate means of relating to Him!
    ~ Definition, Function and Purpose of the Human Soul ~
    The soul is the self-conscious mechanism in man. It provides the connection between his spirit and his body. God designed the soul to make him aware of his spirit on one end and his body on the other.
    The soul is a perfect interface!
    It communicates with the spirit on one side and with the body on the other! It harmonizes with the intellectual/emotional realm and receives and transmits impulses of an intellectual and emotional nature.
    For instance, it allows human beings to communicate with each other by putting thoughts and feelings into words and then communicating those words verbally or otherwise. That’s part of the purpose of the soul… to allow effective communication between human beings!
    But it goes further than this!
    Not only does it allow communication between human beings but the human soul also communicates with the human spirit! This is the very reason they are so closely aligned. They were designed to interface with each other. For instance, when God speaks to you He doesn’t speak Japanese, English or French; He speaks the language of God.
    Your spirit understands the language of God perfectly so when God speaks to you, your spirit understands exactly what God said in His own language. But, your soul needs to interpret the information into your native language so that it makes sense to you.
    Therefore, because of the interface between your spirit and soul your mind can become fruitful with the knowledge that’s in your spirit. You would then proclaim, “God said such and such to me”. Not realizing that an extremely delicate and technical transfer of information from the spirit realm to the natural realm just occurred, all because of the function of your soul.
    So, the purpose of the soul, apart from human to human communication is also to interface with the spirit, interpreting communications from God and making logical sense of it in order to take effective action!
    God inhabits the spirit realm and we inhabit the physical, so, for communications that originate in the spirit realm to be received and acted on in the physical, there must be some mechanism linking both realms and providing a conduit for such communications to travel through.
    Such is the purpose of the human soul… to interface between the spiritual and the natural realms! Linking your spirit with your body!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Everest John Alexander is a Minister/Writer/Entrepreneur in public ministry for over 16 years Pastoring for 4 years.

    Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/436772

  2. Spirit Release Therapy is alive and well in the western world.  Our release sessions are a lot less dramatic than the ones shown in the video, but they are frequent and much sought after.  The subject report many dramatic differences after the energy/entity has left.

    Kiran’s comment :

    Josie please tell us what you are doing and why you call it spirit- release and why do you think it is less dramatic then what was shown in the video – and what kind of changes you see – where you learned and where you teach it or practice

    on you website http://www.theindigorose.com there is nothing and I want to keep this forum not getting into the pointless one sentence exchanges that are so common elsewhere

     

  3. Here is a comment send to my personal e-mail by my friend Ezra from South Africa :

    Hi there Kiran,
    I have just read your reply to “Peter” and I thought that it would be more pertinent for me to address you directly with a question due to the length of the attached article which I have found so enlightening.
    So my question:
    In your various seminars, which I have attended over the years, I have been confused as to whether CoRe communicates with our clients through the informational matrix through their soul or their spirit. Everest John Alexander, the author of the attached article goes into detail explaining the difference between the soul and the spirit.
    If, as he concludes, the soul is in effect our self-conscious mind which in turn communicates with our spirit which in turn is the our communication link with God, am I then correct in assuming that CoRe indirectly sends its communications through our spirit?
    And if this assumption is correct then, when a client passes over (dies), will our CoRe communications still be linked to his/her spirit informationally even though his/her earthly physical body is no more.
    Once again, thanks for all the hard work you and your team put into making CoRe so important in our lives.
    Kind regards,
    Paul Ezra

    Kiran’s comment :

    Dear Ezra

    yes I define the SOUL/ SELF/ GOD/ ONE/ SOURCE/ CONSCIOUSNESS/ Causal Body as synonyms – it is different then spirit ONE, un-dividable, outside time and space.

    Whereas Spirit is all our attributes and as such all have their polarities – which we so often experience very painfully .

    In short I consider Information/ SPIRIT/ Zero-Energy-Field/ Morphogenetic Field/ (non-linear)Matrix/ Intrinsic datafield/ Vacuum-field/ Sub-space/ Astral-field/ Akashic Records/ Software/ Mental body ….. as synonyms and this is what CoRe or all other informational modalities work with or at least say “they are working with” most is just nonsense.

    Yes our software remains after we die and just like our body is not our own but is made of the components of the earth which are been reused – so our software is been re-used – re-incarnated into another body — and this is possibly shocking news – into the body that is the vehicle of another Soul – so to confuse you even more the software/ Spirit of Napoleon has been used many times by souls to evolve

    People who have a software that is very bonded to their body are in the illusion they still are incarnated after they die and thus do all kind of things trying to get attention and recognition that they still exist – many people do this even while still incarnated as they have no sure sense of identity

    True sense of identity only comes when you establish a connection with the Soul.

    Yes you can connect informationally with CoRe or by Spiritist means with the Informational matrix of dead people but this is of no use – in my eyes – as they have disconnected from their SOUL or at least it is said that this happens within days after the death of the physical body – and I know you are given a choice in a state of coma if you want this to happen

    More in many posts that will follow

    Kiran

  4. It shows how well you understand this subject. Bookmarked this page,thanks god someone that actually knows what they are talking about – thank you?2

  5. Can I just say what a relief to find someone who actually knows what theyre talking about on the internet. You definitely know how to bring an issue to light and make it important. More people need to read this and understand this side of the story. I cant believe youre not more popular because you definitely have the gift.

    Kiran’s reply : Thank you for your appreciation – and yes I have “Only” about 1000 reads a day – so I certainly cannot match some Youtube videos about the “laughing dog” or a Gregg Braden talking about 2012 – but the more real was never on top of the charts

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